tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283977111907193493.post4443728122385338256..comments2023-04-02T07:30:36.643-04:00Comments on Traumatized By Truth: Just Who Are We Accommodating and Why Should I Participate?DuWayne Braytonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04074683871047219790noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283977111907193493.post-15206399726729481382009-06-10T23:14:11.972-04:002009-06-10T23:14:11.972-04:00Why, thank you, Dan! :)Why, thank you, Dan! :)Juniper Shoemakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12139181817352528656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283977111907193493.post-58198108436906325342009-06-10T20:03:11.682-04:002009-06-10T20:03:11.682-04:00I should note that I may not get that post up unti...I should note that I may not get that post up until tomorrow, due to the fact that sitting in front of the computer rather hurts at the moment...DuWayne Braytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04074683871047219790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283977111907193493.post-72942034720821107542009-06-10T20:01:33.099-04:002009-06-10T20:01:33.099-04:00Michael -
I will address your comment in another ...Michael -<br /><br />I will address your comment in another post...DuWayne Braytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04074683871047219790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283977111907193493.post-63595328746351494652009-06-10T13:40:08.125-04:002009-06-10T13:40:08.125-04:00Thanks for responding Michael. I'm enjoying th...Thanks for responding Michael. I'm enjoying the conversation, disagreements or not.<br /><br />Michael said: "I'm not going to believe in something simply because I can't prove it doesn't exist. And I'm not going to regard those who do believe in something they can't prove as any more misguided than I am. I try not to condescend to people who don't think just likeDan Jhttp://www.relativelyunrelated.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283977111907193493.post-90293973804629674032009-06-10T11:29:32.522-04:002009-06-10T11:29:32.522-04:00Dan J: The burden of proof lies with the believers...Dan J: <i>The burden of proof lies with the believers (i.e. Christians, Muslims, etc.). Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity. We have nothing to prove. </i><br /><br />There is nothing to prove, period. Whatever your beliefs about the existence of any particular deity, you are accepting a proposition that cannot be verified. "Faith" is belief without the need for proof; lack of Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09093639174583600382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283977111907193493.post-42506126971738974632009-06-10T00:08:07.859-04:002009-06-10T00:08:07.859-04:00Juniper said:
"...a conviction that I will n...Juniper said:<br /><br />"...a conviction that I will never do anything special with my life..."<br /><br />Too late. You already <em>are</em>.Dan Jhttp://www.relativelyunrelated.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283977111907193493.post-89653019100777963452009-06-09T23:47:51.637-04:002009-06-09T23:47:51.637-04:00Great post!
And were it not for the uncivil, ill-...Great post!<br /><br /><i>And were it not for the uncivil, ill-mannered "new atheists" you disagree with, I would probably still be suffering that relationship today...</i><br /><br />I think this is key. My experience has been very different than yours (no shit!), but I feel similarly about my phasic abandonment of theism and magical thinking for skeptical thinking and atheism. It&#Juniper Shoemakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12139181817352528656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283977111907193493.post-36116241734498561172009-06-09T18:54:07.209-04:002009-06-09T18:54:07.209-04:00Michael -
I should point out that I am really rat...Michael -<br /><br />I should point out that I am really rather arrogant myself.<br /><br /><i>But beyond that, attempting to accommodate those beliefs when possible without compromising your own beliefs or rights is, IMO, the mark of a truly civilized order.</i><br /><br />The problem is that accepting accommodations would require that I compromise my own beliefs and more importantly, would be DuWayne Braytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04074683871047219790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283977111907193493.post-3292130840609516512009-06-09T17:34:13.218-04:002009-06-09T17:34:13.218-04:00Dan J: YEAAAAH!
You can't prove a negative. ...Dan J: YEAAAAH!<br /><br />You can't prove a negative. And even the most strident reason-defenders do not try. Dawkins, the poster boy for atheism, says there's a slim chance that there's a God. But all the evidence that's been turned up is pointing in the other direction, toward naturalism.<br /><br />There's a false assumption that in presenting two sides to an argument, Jason Thibeaulthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01595673310069068735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283977111907193493.post-70730535719110818192009-06-09T15:45:14.202-04:002009-06-09T15:45:14.202-04:00Michael said: "People like Myers (and, to a l...Michael said: "People like Myers (and, to a lesser extent, Dawkins) are just as delusional as your stereotypical fire-breathing-Southern-Baptist-preacher because <strong>they think they can prove something that can't be proved</strong>, they think that their viewpoints about everything are privileged because they have some special connection to "Truth," and they think this Dan Jhttp://www.relativelyunrelated.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283977111907193493.post-87317513331200127012009-06-09T15:33:33.062-04:002009-06-09T15:33:33.062-04:00Re Michael
I'm going to have to disagree with...Re Michael<br /><br />I'm going to have to disagree with Mr. Michael relative to PZ Myers. Although he comes across on his blog as a fire breathing take no prisoners ideologue, if one has ever heard him in an interview or giving a presentation, he's Casper Milquetoast to the nth degree.SLCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283977111907193493.post-32649533910150546482009-06-09T14:09:58.224-04:002009-06-09T14:09:58.224-04:00Perhaps I am thinking about somewhat different att...Perhaps I am thinking about somewhat different attitudes than you are, but the reason I stopped reading P.Z. Myers' blog and others with a similar tone I came across is that I find stridency and arrogance unappealing, full-stop. I don't care if I agree or disagree with the basics of the asshole-in-question's world-view -- the attitude is off-putting. I had thought that was the kind Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09093639174583600382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283977111907193493.post-79928208532594562132009-06-09T12:37:23.422-04:002009-06-09T12:37:23.422-04:00Oh damn Jason, why the hell did you have to do tha...Oh damn Jason, why the hell did you have to do that to me?<br /><br />(btw, I have done exactly that to JWs)DuWayne Braytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04074683871047219790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283977111907193493.post-2921205117740163322009-06-09T12:26:01.135-04:002009-06-09T12:26:01.135-04:00Per Pharyngula, this is all the motivation necessa...Per Pharyngula, this is all the motivation necessary to drop the veneer of civility when tearing apart flawed logic. Does this make your blood boil like it does mine?<br /><br />http://kerstenblog.startribune.com/kerstenblog/?p=597Jason Thibeaulthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01595673310069068735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283977111907193493.post-6565437087055901652009-06-09T10:47:56.071-04:002009-06-09T10:47:56.071-04:00Once told a Jehovah's Witness that I was an at...Once told a Jehovah's Witness that I was an atheist (when I was first toying with the idea of coming out about it), and got an earful about how I would be damning myself to hell and other such nonsense. He was uncivil first. And that was the key thing that caused me to rip up one side of him and down the other about proselytizing and how people like him were running around causing strife Jason Thibeaulthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01595673310069068735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283977111907193493.post-47235598720267928352009-06-08T22:26:10.123-04:002009-06-08T22:26:10.123-04:00Reading your comment made a light bulb go on over ...Reading your comment made a light bulb go on over my head. It prompted me to think about another post you made regarding your long path to atheism. Your experiences (as I read them) definitely don't qualify as willful ignorance.<br /><br />I think I have a lack of understanding when it comes to the cognitive dissonance associated with the religious faithful. My big hurdle for this Dan Jhttp://www.relativelyunrelated.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283977111907193493.post-65565834466717787552009-06-08T22:03:38.712-04:002009-06-08T22:03:38.712-04:00Dan -
I do want to be very clear that I don't...Dan -<br /><br />I do want to be very clear that I don't generally consider religion to be willful ignorance. I think it's important to differentiate between willful ignorance and cognitive dissonance.DuWayne Braytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04074683871047219790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4283977111907193493.post-18342375446064645302009-06-08T19:17:54.508-04:002009-06-08T19:17:54.508-04:00Better than what I used to do to JW's...But wh...Better than what I used to do to JW's...But when you come to my fucking door when I am taking bong-tokes, fucking deal already. Or if I decide to take bong tokes, <i>because</i> you came to my door...<br /><br />I should note that I am all about civility as a baseline, in the context of religious discussions, but I don't believe in making it a limitation.DuWayne Braytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04074683871047219790noreply@blogger.com